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  • Pipes and Plumbing: Location, Location, Location!
  • From "Home IQ"
    episode DHIQ-110


    When it comes to the plumbing, it's all about location. Before any work can begin, the plumbers, site supervisor and carpenter work together to decide exactly where the plumbing will go. After the plumbing is laid a problem is discovered. Viewers see how the team works together to come up with a solution. The next step is to install the drains and vents following the kitchen designer's marks. The plumbing system in the Oberg's house is a basic distribution network and viewers hear from apprentice plumber Jeremy Dindinger who explains. Viewers see how the sewer gases are vented up through the roof to the outside and hear from Bill Rittelmann of Ibacos and journeyman plumber Mike Morse. The framing of the Oberg's master tub and a delay in the delivery of the guest shower are a few other problems that arise, but both are resolved and work continues.
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    Figure A
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    Figure B
    A plumber knows how to rough-in a sink or shower, but it's vital that the homeowners and site manager determine the location first. The plumber is called in before the concrete for the basement floor is poured because there are drains that need to go below it. For the Oberg home the basement will include a fourth bathroom (figure A) and a slop sink for Brad's workshop.

    The plumbers, Michael Morse and Jeremy Dindinger (apprentice), meet with Greg Allen, the site supervisor, and Jim Misencik, the carpenter, to discuss and get familiar with the blueprints. They figure out where the walls of the bathroom will be (figure B).

    But as we've discovered earlier in this custom home-building process, there can be confusion when deciphering a new set of blueprints. For example, Misencik discovered that the plans showed the stairs, the plumbing and the basement shower all in the same place.
    Troubleshooting the Problem

    • Serious figuring had to be done by the site supervisor because moving the pipes (figure C), which are now underneath the solid cement, would be expensive and difficult.

    • To avoid chopping up the concrete flooring, the brain trust decided to adjust the landing, move some plumbing overhead and keep the drains where they are. But, unfortunately, when the shower is finally set the plumber still has to chop the floor (figure D) in order to attach the drain. This is proof that sometimes problems on a construction site just can't be avoided!
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    Figure C

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    Figure D


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    Figure E
    Throughout the rest of the house, the plumbers install the drains and vents, following the kitchen designer's marks (figure E).

    Note: The plumbing system in the Oberg house is a basic distribution network with the supply lines bringing the water to a specific location and the drains carry waste water away. And the sewer gases are vented up through the roof to the outside.
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    Figure F
    Why Vent?

    The purpose of venting is twofold:

    1. So the water will go down the drain without causing suction, especially in the toilet. If there were no vent off the stack (figure F) of the toilet the bowl would drain completely.

    2. The other purpose for a vent is to extract sewer gas from the home safely.

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    Figure G
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    Figure H
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    Figure I
    Placement, Placement, Placement

    When it comes to placement of the tubs, toilets and showers, the plumber is not the only subcontractor involved. The carpenter and site supervisor also need to know exactly what goes where. For example, in the master bathroom the whirlpool tub (figure G -- rough-in on left and finished tub on right) needs special attention because its size and design aren't standard -- and the framing for it won't be simple!

    Once the site supervisor and carpenter figure out the framing for the tub, the frame is built and the tub is cemented in. Later, after a visit from Brad he requested that the tub be shifted a bit, but after much discussion and a visit from Lynn (figure H), the tub stayed where it is.

    Note: Another problem developed at this stage when the shower in the guest bathroom wasn't delivered in the planned five days. To keep on schedule the framing was continued, but when the shower did arrive the installation required an extra step of removing some wall studs in order to fit the shower in place.

    With most tubs and showers in place and minor correction made, the plumbers finish up the rough-in of the drains and vents. One of the finishing touches for the venting system are the phalanges (figure I) where the vent pipe pokes through the roof. They are placed underneath the roof shingles and have a rubber ring to keep the water out.

    In the next segment see some of the new plumbing technologies that were utilized in the Oberg house.


    RESOURCES :

    Kohler Product Information
    Kohler Co.
    Website: www.us.kohler.com

    Kitchen and Bathroom Cabinets (Manor House)
    Manor House Kitchens
    Website: www.manorhousekitchens.com

    Residential Sprinkler System and Radiant Flooring (Wirsbo)
    Wirsbo Co.
    Website: www.wirsbo.com

    Kitchen and Bathroom Fixtures (Nicklas Supply)
    Nicklas Supply, Inc./Splash
    Website: www.wit-co.com
    or www.nicklassupply.com

    Plumbing Services (Pedicone)
    Pedicone Plumbing
    4364 Gibsonia Rd.
    Rt. 910
    Gibsonia, PA 15044
    Phone: 724-443-6794


    GUESTS :

    Brad and Lynn Oberg
    Homeowners
    Company: IBACOS (Brad)
    Title: Co-Founder/Chief Technology Officer
    Website: www.ibacos.com

    Greg Allen
    Site Supervisor
    Hendolhurst Homes
    955 Markman Park Rd.
    Baden, PA 15005
    Phone: 724-935-5658
    Fax: 724-935-0884
    E-mail: gcrbs@adelphia.net

    Allen Kline
    Senior Kitchen Designer
    Manor House Kitchens
    See contact information above under Resources

    Jim Misencik
    Framer
    Misencik, Inc.
    Pittsburgh, PA

    Cindy Schad
    Designer/Sales
    Nicklas Supply, Inc./Splash
    PO Box 1730
    Cranberry Township, PA 16066
    Phone: 724-772-1060
    Fax: 724-772-3020

    Bill Rittlemann
    Project Engineer
    IBACOS
    2214 Liberty Ave.
    Pittsburgh, PA 15222
    Website: www.ibacos.com

    Jeremy Dindinger
    Apprentice Plumber
    Pedicone Plumbing
    4364 Gibsonia Rd.
    Rt. 910
    Gibsonia, PA 15044
    Phone: 724-443-6794

    Kirk Vigil
    Regional Sales Mgr.
    Wirsbo Co.
    5925 148th St. W.
    Apple Valley, MN 55124
    Toll-free: 800-321-4739
    Phone: 952-891-2000
    Fax: 952-891-2008
    Website: www.wirsbo.com

    Michael Morse
    Journeyman Plumber
    Pedicone Plumbing
    4364 Gibsonia Rd.
    Rt. 910
    Gibsonia, PA 15044
    Phone: 724-443-6794

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